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are still for amnesty today. it's going to cost taxpayers of millions of dollars, cost american workers thousands of jobs and nothing but encourage more illegal immigration. that is congressman smith already denouncing any idea of comprehensive immigration reform. how do you get members of the gop in the house on board when they're already shooting down this idea? >> tamron, i hope that no one will ever have to hear the shrill scream i heard in my office when a mother fell down on the floor saying that we were going to try to help her college-aged student from being deported. this is a painful family issue of hard working individuals who pay their taxes, who are now looking for relief. i'll tell you the way that we'll be able to handle this, with the compassion and the understanding that we have no other place to go and with voices like senator mark rubio and we hope many more. i can't attribute to him a senator that promotes amnesty because he wasn't here in the united states congress but i also say to you that
are still for amnesty today. it's going to cost taxpayers of millions of dollars, cost american workers thousands of jobs and nothing but encourage more illegal immigration. that is congressman smith already denouncing any idea of comprehensive immigration reform. how do you get members of the gop in the house on board when they're already shooting down this idea? >> tamron, i hope that no one will ever have to hear the shrill scream i heard in my office when a mother fell down on the...
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in reality, what's been created is a defacto amnesty. we have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great. i think everyone agrees that it's not beneficial for our country to have these people here hidden in the shadows. let's create a system to bring them forward, allow them to settle their debt to society and fulfill the necessary requirements to become law-abiding citizens of this country. this is consistent with our country's tradition of being a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants. i'd like to read senator lindsey graham's brief statement. he says, i hope the third time is a charm. i've enjoyed working with any senate colleagues in drafting these principles and believe we're off to a good start. bipartisan immigration principles represent a real breakthrough on substance and i hope seen as a breakthrough for a political coalition to finally solve our immigration problem
in reality, what's been created is a defacto amnesty. we have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great. i think everyone agrees that it's not beneficial for our country to have these people here hidden in the shadows. let's create a system to bring them forward, allow them to settle their debt to society and fulfill the necessary...
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now exactly do you define amnesty? >> amnesty is allowing people who came in the country to stay in the country, not asking them to make that situation right, not asking them to pay those back taxes. i think that what we need to do is very carefully look at what this pathway is going to be. we have to make certain that there is not going to be an amnesty that encourages more amnesty and whether it was reagan or others. what we have seen is amnesty proposals that did not accomplish what they were supposed to accomplish. so let's learn from all of those lessons and let's do it right this time. >> so congressman, you were on "face the nation" over the weekend and asked to comment on what the republican party did wrong in 2012. let's take a listen. >> i think that the thing that we did not well was to penetrate the marketplace with our message. we didn't have a broad enough basis using social media, using an all the different media format that is are there. >> so looking for the support of the republicans in the past three
now exactly do you define amnesty? >> amnesty is allowing people who came in the country to stay in the country, not asking them to make that situation right, not asking them to pay those back taxes. i think that what we need to do is very carefully look at what this pathway is going to be. we have to make certain that there is not going to be an amnesty that encourages more amnesty and whether it was reagan or others. what we have seen is amnesty proposals that did not accomplish what...
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, straight up amnesty, he didn't get the 30% of the latino vote. so it's not a pathway for us to get more votes. republicans need to be very cautious about that. >> i want you that stand by real quickly, though, because i want to show everybody, we just got this video in, senator john kerry's nomination for secretary of state, unanimously approved by voice vote on the senate foreign relations committee floor during the meeting that they had today. so that is moving forward now. the full senate expected to vote on kerry's nomination later today. but, again, smooth waters there for what looks like to be the next secretary of state, john kerry. so, again, that vote coming up this afternoon. we do want to move on, though, and talk about who will now be considered the former secretary of state after the vote this afternoon, hillary clinton. she had an opportunity to speak about what it's like to be living in such a bipartisan world of washington, d.c., right now. again, her farewell week has been really one of high aplomb, but take a look at this. >> bu
, straight up amnesty, he didn't get the 30% of the latino vote. so it's not a pathway for us to get more votes. republicans need to be very cautious about that. >> i want you that stand by real quickly, though, because i want to show everybody, we just got this video in, senator john kerry's nomination for secretary of state, unanimously approved by voice vote on the senate foreign relations committee floor during the meeting that they had today. so that is moving forward now. the full...
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are republicans changing their definition of what constitutes amnesty so that the amnesty is just a free ride with no sort of earned path? >> i think that it's possible that you're going to see people on both sides of the aisle avoid the term amnesty because it is so politically charged. but the idea that citizenship under any circumstances is a free path is just not accurate. the reality is that it's quite expensive at minimum and lengthy. so on average it's quite a lengthy process and once one becomes a legal permanent resident you have five to seven years to wait so i don't think that the idea that there is some sort of free and clear and easy sort of yellow brick road for people to move from undocumented status to being american citizens is quite accurate. >> janelle, the republicans that i've talked to have actually been looking at the plan that came out of the senate and have said that all looks good. the problem is very few of them believe that sort of the meatier parts are going to be enforced. did you hear anything today from the president that you think maybe spoke to those con
are republicans changing their definition of what constitutes amnesty so that the amnesty is just a free ride with no sort of earned path? >> i think that it's possible that you're going to see people on both sides of the aisle avoid the term amnesty because it is so politically charged. but the idea that citizenship under any circumstances is a free path is just not accurate. the reality is that it's quite expensive at minimum and lengthy. so on average it's quite a lengthy process and...
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one is to get past the toxicity of the "a" word, amnesty. and the president and the democrats really need to sell, as the senator mentioned, this is not amnesty. it is earned citizenship, involving the back taxes, fines, having to learn english, and to get in line behind legal immigrants. >> and one of the things chuck schumer pointed out this morning on "morning joe," is that if you actually applied that you get -- you go to the front of the line, ahead of people who never tried to take the legal path. >> right. but the challenge for the republicans, they have to sell this within their own party. not as amnesty, but they just need to make a very practical case -- >> a political argument. >> this is good for their party. it gets them on the right side of demographics. it gets them on the right side of how america is changing, what the people want. i saw an associated press poll that showed that 62% of americans favor some path to citizenship. so they need to sell it that way, as a way for the republican party to maintain their standing as a
one is to get past the toxicity of the "a" word, amnesty. and the president and the democrats really need to sell, as the senator mentioned, this is not amnesty. it is earned citizenship, involving the back taxes, fines, having to learn english, and to get in line behind legal immigrants. >> and one of the things chuck schumer pointed out this morning on "morning joe," is that if you actually applied that you get -- you go to the front of the line, ahead of people who...
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in reality, what's been created is a de facto amnesty. we have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great. >> a few of the bullet points, under the framework, those seeking citizenship would be required to register with the federal government, settle debts with the government including fines and back taxes, undergo a background check and learn english and american civics. yesterday, marco rubio in florida sought to win over conservatives opposed to any deal with threats of amnesty. >> there are over 11 million workers undocumented. that's not something any wanted to see happen. it is what has happened. we have an obligation and need to address the reality of the situation we face. i think today is an important first step in what's going to be a significant complicated journey. the issue of immigration is not a simple one. we have the opportunity to do it right and if we do, i thin
in reality, what's been created is a de facto amnesty. we have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great. >> a few of the bullet points, under the framework, those seeking citizenship would be required to register with the federal government, settle debts with the government including fines and back taxes, undergo a background...
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this process is not automatic amnesty. the senators are calling it a tough but fair path to citizenship. an undocumented worker must complete a background check and be clear of any felony charges. they must pay any fines and any back taxes. there is a requirement to learn english and american civics over the course of the next several years. after passing these benchmarks, an undocumented immigrant will be granted legal working status. they will be issued green cards on the condition of the border being made secure. i'm a little confused on exactly how that works. we'll get to it in a moment. reform advocates hope the involvement of republican senator marco rubio will bring nervous conservatives along. in the house, speaker john boehner says he remains optimistic in legislation moving forward. republican congressman mario diaz-balart says he has been working with democrats in his chamber. >> we've seen that the speaker has said he wants to get it done. we've seen what the minority leader says that they want to get it done.
this process is not automatic amnesty. the senators are calling it a tough but fair path to citizenship. an undocumented worker must complete a background check and be clear of any felony charges. they must pay any fines and any back taxes. there is a requirement to learn english and american civics over the course of the next several years. after passing these benchmarks, an undocumented immigrant will be granted legal working status. they will be issued green cards on the condition of the...
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there's this a word, which is amnesty. how do the people on both sides who want to get this done get around that? >> well, now, and you point to exactly the difficulty, at least on the republican side and heard this many times about when reagan passed the bill back in 1986 that it turned into an amnesty bill. i think that gets to where the republican concern is and we've begun to hear sounds from democrats that they are willing to address this in a significant way. that is, look, if we're going to establish a real immigration policy which doesn't turn into amnesty but let's us have an immigration policy we need to deal with the border. some of the sounds of what i'm hearing from the democratic side seem that they are willing to address that and that would move things forward. >> what the white house doing in all of this? the president has been clearly having success and selling it to the american people and you have marco rubio selling it to talk show hosts. it seems the voters have a lot of influence suddenly again. >> an
there's this a word, which is amnesty. how do the people on both sides who want to get this done get around that? >> well, now, and you point to exactly the difficulty, at least on the republican side and heard this many times about when reagan passed the bill back in 1986 that it turned into an amnesty bill. i think that gets to where the republican concern is and we've begun to hear sounds from democrats that they are willing to address this in a significant way. that is, look, if we're...
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i think to call it amnesty is not it. i think it is probably a little bit more complicated. >> okay. >> i tried to talk my way out of it. >> i liked what you are trying to do there. some democrats want to make sure that health care exchanges, those are open to immigrants as well. that sounds like a pretty tough sell. do you think that is possible? >> well, i guess it depends on the details of the deal. i think when you step back and what is interesting business immigration reform is how much things have changed. the politics is kind of at the moment republicans are facing a demographic reality they can no longer ignore. there is clearly this momentum towards a deal. if you factor in health care and the potential for millions of more people being added to potential health care exchanges or whatever it might be, there is a cost after that. you have to balance that with the fact that the reality is when these folks come out of the shadows they will be paying federal taxes and filing income taxes. this will balance out. it do
i think to call it amnesty is not it. i think it is probably a little bit more complicated. >> okay. >> i tried to talk my way out of it. >> i liked what you are trying to do there. some democrats want to make sure that health care exchanges, those are open to immigrants as well. that sounds like a pretty tough sell. do you think that is possible? >> well, i guess it depends on the details of the deal. i think when you step back and what is interesting business...
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amnesty under another name. >> i'll give you a little straight talk. look at the last election. look at the last election. we are losing dramatically the hispanic vote, which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons. >> senator menendez said after a handful of meeting the senators agreed a pathway to citizenship must be part of any comprehensive plan. >> having a pathway to earned legalization is an essential element and i think that we are largely moving in that direction as an agreement. americans support it in poll after poll. secondly, latino voters expect it. third, the democrats want it and fourth, republicans need it. >> when it comes to immigration reform, everyone is eager to get ahead of everyone else. by rolling out this senate play today, senators can get ahead of the president who will give his first policy speech on immigration tomorrow. another senator who wants to get ahead of this story, senator marco rubio write, "my hope is president obama will use his voice and influence to further this approach. however, if what he offers i
amnesty under another name. >> i'll give you a little straight talk. look at the last election. look at the last election. we are losing dramatically the hispanic vote, which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons. >> senator menendez said after a handful of meeting the senators agreed a pathway to citizenship must be part of any comprehensive plan. >> having a pathway to earned legalization is an essential element and i think that we are largely moving in that...
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amnesty is going to be a part of this. why are we afraid of that? would the republicans even consider doing this if they couldn't score political points? your thoughts. >> i think as e.j. pointed out, i think there are some for whom there is a political reality that has brought them to the table. and you can tell they've done their homework. there is now two memos that have gone out from different groups to republicans kind of saying here is how you talk about these issues. right. you don't talk about anchor babies and we don't talk about aliens. and you notice that their language, they have rubio out there trying to help garner support from the tea party folks. and they're talking about tough and fair. i guess on some level, yeah we have to grow up, ed. but there is a part of me that feels like if we end up with good policy in this instance, and if it meant that people came to the table because of politics, but we end up with good policy that's the right thing to do, i think that's a good result. >> that's a great point. i don't think it's good pol
amnesty is going to be a part of this. why are we afraid of that? would the republicans even consider doing this if they couldn't score political points? your thoughts. >> i think as e.j. pointed out, i think there are some for whom there is a political reality that has brought them to the table. and you can tell they've done their homework. there is now two memos that have gone out from different groups to republicans kind of saying here is how you talk about these issues. right. you...
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in reality, what's been created is a de facto amnesty. we have been too content for too long to allow them to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes and watch our children while not affording them the benefits that make our country great. >> those seeking citizenship would be required to register with the federal government, settle debts with the government including fines and back taxes, under go a criminal background check and learn english and american civics. members of this group of eight is senator marco rubio of florida. he's a key voice in getting conservatives to sign off on an amnesty plan. >> we have to be sure not to encourage people to come here illegally in the future. by the same token, we are dealing with 11 million human beings who are here undocumented. the majority of whom who recognize it as the american dream. let me say on both sides of this issue, there are legitimate points to be raised. there are people concerned about how much this is going to cost the american economy. we have to be frank of dealing with
in reality, what's been created is a de facto amnesty. we have been too content for too long to allow them to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes and watch our children while not affording them the benefits that make our country great. >> those seeking citizenship would be required to register with the federal government, settle debts with the government including fines and back taxes, under go a criminal background check and learn english and american civics. members of this...
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the amnesty happens immediately. >> let's bring in b.e.t. columnist keith boykin and msnbc contributor robert traynham. it's no coincidence the president spoke to the big guys, the anchors for the top two spanish language stations. obviously part of a larger strategy. you just heard david vitter say this is the same old thing. is the mood the same old thing and what's the white house strategy here in this, what they're trying to do is a pretty quick push. >> i think the momentum is on their side. he just got re-elected to president, won the latino vote. republicans are concerned about that. and there's a consensus from a political perspective and i think for policy reasons that this is the ship that's moving now. they have to get on it if they want to be onboard. and i think the republicans, there's some momentum on their side to get something done. it may not be everything the president wants but i would be shocked if there weren't some sort of comprehensive immigration bill passed. >> to that point there is movement in the polls, a new pol
the amnesty happens immediately. >> let's bring in b.e.t. columnist keith boykin and msnbc contributor robert traynham. it's no coincidence the president spoke to the big guys, the anchors for the top two spanish language stations. obviously part of a larger strategy. you just heard david vitter say this is the same old thing. is the mood the same old thing and what's the white house strategy here in this, what they're trying to do is a pretty quick push. >> i think the momentum is...
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let's watch. >> this is not amnesty. it is a tough path to citizenship, but it is an opportunity, and they get in line between -- behind everyone who has come to this country legally. >> you have to work. you have to pay taxes. you are going pay a fine. there will be some admission of wrong doing. so it is not amnesty in any sense of the word. >> chris, susan was just talking about warmer temperatures today. it does feel different. maybe we're just all so hungry for anything that's bipart sfwlan, but this seems to be real. >> it does seem to be real. i would say that i think what senators mccain and schumer are talking about is the nub of the issue. particularly can republican members of congress convince their -- themselves and the people who elect them that this path to citizenship clause is tough enough that it doesn't amount to just saying, well, it's okay. you broke the rules. you can still be in this country. that's always been the tough thing. look, this was the same john mccain who when he was faceed in a primary
let's watch. >> this is not amnesty. it is a tough path to citizenship, but it is an opportunity, and they get in line between -- behind everyone who has come to this country legally. >> you have to work. you have to pay taxes. you are going pay a fine. there will be some admission of wrong doing. so it is not amnesty in any sense of the word. >> chris, susan was just talking about warmer temperatures today. it does feel different. maybe we're just all so hungry for anything...
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that is promises of enforcement and immediate amnesty. of course the promises of enforcement never materialized. the amnesty happens immediately. >> he is talking about marco rubio. he put himself cross wise with a lot of republicans and put himself out there on immigration reform? >> believe it or not, i agree with david on a different point. in terms of marco being naive, the actual piece of legislation of immigration by the president and by the senate is strong and it addresses the weaknesses of 1986 and the 1965 reform. where rubio is being naive is not thinking this is going to help with the 2016 presidential run. it's not going to help them. it's going to hurt him with the base. you you want to run for president, you have to get out of the primary. you don't see folks from peoria or paris liking his stand on immigration. on the democratic side, he thinks he might get cross over democratic voters, but immigration will be a president obama initiative. people will relate to the president and marco rubio will be a long second afterthoug
that is promises of enforcement and immediate amnesty. of course the promises of enforcement never materialized. the amnesty happens immediately. >> he is talking about marco rubio. he put himself cross wise with a lot of republicans and put himself out there on immigration reform? >> believe it or not, i agree with david on a different point. in terms of marco being naive, the actual piece of legislation of immigration by the president and by the senate is strong and it addresses...
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. >> amnesty is the forgiveness of something and nothing here is being forgiven. >> today he's going to talk to rush limbaugh. by the way, some republicans privately believe their best course is not to look like they're giving the president a win on any of this. here was sean hannity last night who the importantly has warmed up on immigration reform after the election. >> to be honest, i frankly have little or no trust in the senator schumer, senator durbin and president obama. it's the most thoughtful proposal that i have heard and you've explained better than anybody, but the devil will be in the details. >> also last night on fox, you saw south carolina senator lindsey graham who is part of this deal trying to make this happen and, of course, has his own 2014 re-election prospects to worry about. always looking over his right shoulder for a primary. so he chose to blast the president while supporting this deal on fox. >> but if you want to talk about the president bringing us together and being a bold leader, in 2007 when we tried to do immigration reform, he folded like a cheap s
. >> amnesty is the forgiveness of something and nothing here is being forgiven. >> today he's going to talk to rush limbaugh. by the way, some republicans privately believe their best course is not to look like they're giving the president a win on any of this. here was sean hannity last night who the importantly has warmed up on immigration reform after the election. >> to be honest, i frankly have little or no trust in the senator schumer, senator durbin and president...
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>> melissa, if the word amnesty is not used because nobody is talking about amnesty, the s support goes way beyond 50%, but it is 70% or 80%, because americans want a solution. they know our immigration system is broken, and they are ready to see something happen. the people are a away ahead of the politicians on this one, way ahead. and most people will tell you because these immigrant american, because that is what they are, they are americans who are immigrants, they are part of the aspiring class, and they are the next generation to create those leaders, and those innovas or the and we will get there, but it is the neanderthal element in congress that continues to hold us back, but we will get there. >> and there was another moment that we will be talking about over the next few days that was similar of a social movement of people impacted by unfair policies that had an unfair reaction on their circumstances and they pushed an american president lbj to bring civil rights legislation. is that what we are seeing here? >> in many respects. one of the many proud moments is when every si
>> melissa, if the word amnesty is not used because nobody is talking about amnesty, the s support goes way beyond 50%, but it is 70% or 80%, because americans want a solution. they know our immigration system is broken, and they are ready to see something happen. the people are a away ahead of the politicians on this one, way ahead. and most people will tell you because these immigrant american, because that is what they are, they are americans who are immigrants, they are part of the...
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rubio was already talking about how amnesty or what he calls -- he doesn't call it amnesty. >> you're not supposed to say the word. snoo what he calls a pathway needs to be tied to border security, and the president is saying now. that's going to be a huge sticking point, and that's what republicans are holding out for. they're not that flexible. >> i think the fact that the president is perceived as starting to the left and i see perceived because i think it's all just good sense, but whatever, actually gives the republicans a little biltmore room to come to the center, and i think that is a very smart strategy. we'll see how it shakes out. in the end it will mean that some of these phrases, like send them all back, will be easier to do away with because we can actually focus on some of the key elements. >> i think the thing that's next in terms of negotiating, but by sticking to his values, that is a better way to rally support outside than getting stuck in the muck of the negotiations. right now the main negotiations are between the senate, republicans and democrats, who put togeth
rubio was already talking about how amnesty or what he calls -- he doesn't call it amnesty. >> you're not supposed to say the word. snoo what he calls a pathway needs to be tied to border security, and the president is saying now. that's going to be a huge sticking point, and that's what republicans are holding out for. they're not that flexible. >> i think the fact that the president is perceived as starting to the left and i see perceived because i think it's all just good sense,...
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first guns, then amnesty. but he went to say that if the plan would work the way senator rubio described it, that he would be for it. it would be important to do. it's a problem that needs to be solved. so the republicans rhetoric is meeting up with the electoral reality. but the problem is getting enough house members who feel like an incentive to do it back home. so many members are from deep red districts. the president has done something and that is to put it up as one big bill instead of chewable bites. that means the house might choke on it. >> so we e had the gang of eight. rubio is the shining star out of this. is he being boosted way up? >> absolutely. he's done more than talk. he's done something in washington, which is hard to do. and he went back on what he said less than two months ago. he told me at a politico breakfast he thought it would be smarter to do this in pieces, to build individual coalitions for the parts of the immigration bill. he's gone along with the big bill too. that makes it har
first guns, then amnesty. but he went to say that if the plan would work the way senator rubio described it, that he would be for it. it would be important to do. it's a problem that needs to be solved. so the republicans rhetoric is meeting up with the electoral reality. but the problem is getting enough house members who feel like an incentive to do it back home. so many members are from deep red districts. the president has done something and that is to put it up as one big bill instead of...
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, they may want to revisit their hardline party platform which reads in part, we oppose any form of amnesty for those who, by intentionally violating the law, disadvantaged those who have obeyed it, granting amnesty only rewards and encourageags more l breaking. there is no indication that the republican base is on board with any of this. as daniel horowitz rights at red state.com, any so-called comprehensive immigration reform proposal that is worth more than a bucket of spit must ensure the following. we are not saddled with 12 million new consumers of the welfare state, we don't have 12 million new democrat voters. it appears this border battle may be just beginning. let's get to our panel now. in los angeles is democratic strategist professor bob shrum. here in new york is nbc latino contributor victoria defrancesco soto. given how so many republicans have insulted and demeaned immigrants for such a long time, do you believe that their sudden willingness to move forward is something more than just a pragmatic realization that unless they reach out, then their pros tekts of winning the w
, they may want to revisit their hardline party platform which reads in part, we oppose any form of amnesty for those who, by intentionally violating the law, disadvantaged those who have obeyed it, granting amnesty only rewards and encourageags more l breaking. there is no indication that the republican base is on board with any of this. as daniel horowitz rights at red state.com, any so-called comprehensive immigration reform proposal that is worth more than a bucket of spit must ensure the...
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after florida senator marco rubio calling him amazingly naive to believe the plan would not amount to amnesty. >>> lamar alexander of tennessee talked to chuck todd on "the daily rundown" about gun control and video games. take a listen. >> i think video games is a bigger problem than guns because video games affect people. but the first amendment limits what we can do about video games. the second amendment to the constitution limits what we can do about guns. >>> senator john mccain appeared at a breakfast in washington where he told a joke about himself and the low approval ratings of his colleagues. >> a guy ran up in the airport and say anybody tell you look like john mccain? i said, yeah. he says, doesn't it sometimes make you mad as hell? >> that's your morning dish of scrambles politics. >>> we tern to nbc meteorologist bill karins with the weather channel forecast. good morning you to, bill. >> the last 48 hours have been a blur. so much cleanup to be done. now we're doing it in bitterly cold temperatures, too. the problem is all the way up through connecticut. look at these wind gus
after florida senator marco rubio calling him amazingly naive to believe the plan would not amount to amnesty. >>> lamar alexander of tennessee talked to chuck todd on "the daily rundown" about gun control and video games. take a listen. >> i think video games is a bigger problem than guns because video games affect people. but the first amendment limits what we can do about video games. the second amendment to the constitution limits what we can do about guns....
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. >> they might see this is amnesty. what would you say? >> well, you know what? i'm interested in solutions. i'm not interested in rhetoric. i'm not interested in finger pointing. i'm not interested in the old debates, the old sound bites. we need a solution that is fair and balanced. that secures our borders. that has tough, verifiable enforcement. but also provides a path to citizenship for those who are here and part of our economy. when you've got republican senators who are willing to support this, it's time for house republicans to support it as well. >> as you know, part of this plan that was put out and we got the details overnight, it promotes a guest worker program geared toward the needs of farmers. that's important to many states in the south as well as the west. but it's something that unions including the afl/cio has argued would institutionallize, basically, a second class work force that could be exploited by employers. with that idea, how do you win union support? >> well, look. you've got a bipartisan group of senators who've put this out as a s
. >> they might see this is amnesty. what would you say? >> well, you know what? i'm interested in solutions. i'm not interested in rhetoric. i'm not interested in finger pointing. i'm not interested in the old debates, the old sound bites. we need a solution that is fair and balanced. that secures our borders. that has tough, verifiable enforcement. but also provides a path to citizenship for those who are here and part of our economy. when you've got republican senators who are...
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didn't use the word amnesty but that's what he's talking about. >> you know what other word he didn't use, thomas? illegal. so he intended to talk about illegal immigrants, illegal immigration. and we've seen a change in the rhetoric of how marco rubio is talking about immigration. marco has come to the table and really put his face forward. what he has done is he's the enforcer. he's the one in this gang of eight that said we can have a path to citizenship but we've got to keep beefing up the border and we have to look at the technology to track the people who are here. so he wants to make himself known as the tough cowboy in all of this. >> he's a latino republican with a bright future in politics for a long time to come. so we will be watching exactly what this group talks about this afternoon. again, we have pretty much the bullet points. victoria, thanks for your time. we want to talk to our power panel for today. this monday we have david druker, associate politics editor for roll call. msnbc political analyst, karen finny. columnist for the hill. republican strategist alice sto
didn't use the word amnesty but that's what he's talking about. >> you know what other word he didn't use, thomas? illegal. so he intended to talk about illegal immigrants, illegal immigration. and we've seen a change in the rhetoric of how marco rubio is talking about immigration. marco has come to the table and really put his face forward. what he has done is he's the enforcer. he's the one in this gang of eight that said we can have a path to citizenship but we've got to keep beefing...
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that is promises of enforcement and immediate amnesty. and of course the promises of enforcement never materialize, the amnesty happens immediately. >> rick perry and newt gingrich both got stung when in the primary process they stepped out of the gop rank and file on this issue. could it happen to marco rubio? >> it could. but this is how he will define himself as a national figure. there's no doubt that marco rubio is running for president in 2016. he's going to think that he's going to try and bring the republican party along with him if he can. did he get out there maybe a little too visibly and a little too enthusiastically on day one with the gang of eight? perhaps. but i think he's thinking he's going to make a big national play. and he's going to work from the outside in. he's going to be the conservative who can appeal to the hard working, intense people at the grassroots in iowa, south carolina, et cetera. but also give them the sort of ronald reagan promise of being able to reach back to the middle. that's the argument rubio wi
that is promises of enforcement and immediate amnesty. and of course the promises of enforcement never materialize, the amnesty happens immediately. >> rick perry and newt gingrich both got stung when in the primary process they stepped out of the gop rank and file on this issue. could it happen to marco rubio? >> it could. but this is how he will define himself as a national figure. there's no doubt that marco rubio is running for president in 2016. he's going to think that he's...
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. >> we've passed bills that said it's got teeth and it's got amnesty for people who have been here to while. is this going to work politically and substantively? >> politically i think it's definitely going to work. politically there's the tune of the immigration debate, the fact you have business that needs this, whether it's agricultural, whether it's high-tech. business community is demanding at washington to do something about this and then you have the politics srm of the hispanic vote, so politically this is going to happen. i kind of dush. >> republican control the house. what do they get out of it? >> stop having the hispanic issue as a wedge. to actually begin to have a conversation when the new generation of -- >> like george w. tried to do. >> republicans make the point, the number one issue with hispanics is not immigration. they're right. but they're not listening to you. if you're saying weird things like legitimate rape then that voting bloc isn't going to listen to you on education, on taxes, on any of this stuff. that's what's going on. >> so that's the issue. >> of w
. >> we've passed bills that said it's got teeth and it's got amnesty for people who have been here to while. is this going to work politically and substantively? >> politically i think it's definitely going to work. politically there's the tune of the immigration debate, the fact you have business that needs this, whether it's agricultural, whether it's high-tech. business community is demanding at washington to do something about this and then you have the politics srm of the...
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. >> amnesty for illegal aliens via like a hitler-like executive order. >> radical, left-wing marxism, socialism, fascism, whatever you want to call it! if you are president of the united states, you have to be born in this country. >> people ought to be allowed to ask why president obama won't produce his birth certificate. >> there are 50% of the voting public who want stuff. they want things. and who is going to give them things? president obama. >> barack obama is a socialist. he believes in confiscating hard-earned dollars. >> four years of that garbage plastering the air waves. and what did they get for it? four more years of president barack obama. joinli i joining me now, secretary of labor. even before she was on the job, no stranger to right wing attacks. >>> now, you're stepping down and you've seen this right wing machine up close. are you going to miss this group? >> you know what, i'm going to fight even harder back home and where ever i am, i'm going to be there to support the president's agenda whether it's immigration reform or economic development in our poor communi
. >> amnesty for illegal aliens via like a hitler-like executive order. >> radical, left-wing marxism, socialism, fascism, whatever you want to call it! if you are president of the united states, you have to be born in this country. >> people ought to be allowed to ask why president obama won't produce his birth certificate. >> there are 50% of the voting public who want stuff. they want things. and who is going to give them things? president obama. >> barack obama...
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he raised taxes seven out of agt years, he was for amnesty for undocumented workers, he raised the debt ceiling. >> he didn't want certain weapons. he was against the use of certain weapons that they're now saying people need because they may run out of bullets. >> exactly. >> so if they don't love reagan, if reagan couldn't get through a gop primary, if reagan is to the left of the modern gop, then why don't you let us have him? obama wants to show love on him, respect im. so let us have him. >> but, patricia, ef ebb though reagan is to the left, they've made him their sill boll, like their political icon as reaganism that really, his policies have come to an end under president obama. let me give you an example of three inaugural addresses to show you the difference. july 17th, 1980, president reagan, then '81, president reagan and then president obama. and if you listen to these statements, you'll know the difference in policy and visions of government. >> government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds our great power to harm us. >> in this present
he raised taxes seven out of agt years, he was for amnesty for undocumented workers, he raised the debt ceiling. >> he didn't want certain weapons. he was against the use of certain weapons that they're now saying people need because they may run out of bullets. >> exactly. >> so if they don't love reagan, if reagan couldn't get through a gop primary, if reagan is to the left of the modern gop, then why don't you let us have him? obama wants to show love on him, respect im. so...
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trey gowdy, a fast and furious devoteee who co-sponsored a bill entitled the prohibiting back door amnesty act, supported arizona's highly controversial immigration law, and received an a-minus rating from numbers usa, a group dedicated to reducing the number of immigrants entering the united states. joining the panel now is the new yorker's nick baumgartem. i read the names of those scintillating sim posa, and i wonder as we talk about the gop 2.0 or 7.0 or whatever it rags you choose to believe this is, are you convinced that this is anything more than rhetoric? i really don't mean to be baiting the witness. do you believe that the gop wants to change, can change, will change? >> it really does sound like some cross between davos in detox. >> i think it probably is just that. >> you use the word rehab, and like davos or rehab, it will have as much chance of working as either of those two things. i think they're just going to talk and talk and talk. no matter how much they talk, they're not going to change the essential way they go about business. if they make a promise to behave differen
trey gowdy, a fast and furious devoteee who co-sponsored a bill entitled the prohibiting back door amnesty act, supported arizona's highly controversial immigration law, and received an a-minus rating from numbers usa, a group dedicated to reducing the number of immigrants entering the united states. joining the panel now is the new yorker's nick baumgartem. i read the names of those scintillating sim posa, and i wonder as we talk about the gop 2.0 or 7.0 or whatever it rags you choose to...
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in a lead editorial titled "a pointless amnesty" the magazine says it's far from obvious there should be a path to citizenship. the editorial also casts a policy debate over undocumented workers which includes leading republicans like senators mccain and rubio. as a curious domain where law enforcement authorities feel they must negotiate the most concessionary terms and conditions with those who are breaking law. we welcome msnbc contributor marie teresa comar and friend to the show. welcome to you both. >> hi, karen. >> his all around. i do want to start with you, karen. you know washington inside and out. should we have whiplash? we started this week with bipartisan progress, limbaugh in retreat, and rubio talking about how 40% of undocumented workers came here legally and deserve our respect. so what gives? >> well, look. i think we're going to see more of this along the way. i think the most important thing is for the president and democrats to remain consistent in their messaging because that's clearly if you look at the poll numbers, not only is it what's working, but it's what
in a lead editorial titled "a pointless amnesty" the magazine says it's far from obvious there should be a path to citizenship. the editorial also casts a policy debate over undocumented workers which includes leading republicans like senators mccain and rubio. as a curious domain where law enforcement authorities feel they must negotiate the most concessionary terms and conditions with those who are breaking law. we welcome msnbc contributor marie teresa comar and friend to the show....
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if you support quote/unquote amnesty, then the tea party and club for growth coming for you. that's one thing that could potentially happen. another senator who is somewhat under pressure is mitch mcconnell and there's an interesting thing going on, ashley judd may run in the general election. >> oh, i hope so. >> there's no one strong in the primary really stepped in to this race to try to take him out. and democratic groups and donors are actually trying to actively recruit a tea party candidate to try to take mcconnell out in the primary. part of me rejoices and thinks that's great to mess with him, make him uncomfortable. >> mess with him. >> the more i think about it, i think there's a difference between recruiting a candidate who was not going to enter the race already. >> yeah. >> and sort of southerly supporting someone like todd akin or sharron angle and already in the race and helping them across the finish line because if you think about it the big problem with the republican party right now is so focused on winning the primaries they move to the right and the extr
if you support quote/unquote amnesty, then the tea party and club for growth coming for you. that's one thing that could potentially happen. another senator who is somewhat under pressure is mitch mcconnell and there's an interesting thing going on, ashley judd may run in the general election. >> oh, i hope so. >> there's no one strong in the primary really stepped in to this race to try to take him out. and democratic groups and donors are actually trying to actively recruit a tea...
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. >> the bill is amnesty. there's no common ground here to find compromise. we're not talking about compromise. somebody's going to win and somebody's going to lose this. it's like the israelis and palestinians or anything else, but we don't have anything in common. >> if rush remains unconverted perhaps the demographic disaster facing the gop will remain cause for action on immigration, or perhaps now. according to the national review, some on the right is questioning whether it's worth it. republicans should take a deep breath before rushing into a grand bargain. don't walk the plank on immigration because romney only got 29% of the hispanic vote and sell out on deeply held conservative principles to bump that up to 33%. joining us now from san antonio, texas, congress juman joaquin castro. welcome. >> thank you, thank you, alex. >> congressman, i have many questions. first is, what do you make of the prospects of comprehensive immigration reform, specifically as it relates to the house. we've seen a linking of arms, lower ch what is your read on their abil
. >> the bill is amnesty. there's no common ground here to find compromise. we're not talking about compromise. somebody's going to win and somebody's going to lose this. it's like the israelis and palestinians or anything else, but we don't have anything in common. >> if rush remains unconverted perhaps the demographic disaster facing the gop will remain cause for action on immigration, or perhaps now. according to the national review, some on the right is questioning whether it's...
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. >> though no one asked him, limbaugh said he'd support blanket amnesty if so-called illegals can't vote for 25 years. he apparently didn't get the memo to use tonally sensitive language around the topic. in any case today, limbaugh's guest today, marco rubio, may not like that idea of barring new latino voters. >> obama's not going to be president forever. as long as the next four years may seem, won't be president forever. we have to write laws with that in mind as well. >> i'm sure the question of the next president is never far from senator rubio's mind. let's get to our panel now. in los angeles democratic congressman tony cardenas of california, and here in new york machines political analyst david corn. congressman, you are one of 11 children. your father was a farm worker who came here legally from mexico. can you describe to our audience how important it is that this nation deal with the issue of 11 million undocumented immigrants? >> well, it sounds like 11 for 11. i'm proud to say my parents were immigrants. in one generation each one of our families when all 11 of us bec
. >> though no one asked him, limbaugh said he'd support blanket amnesty if so-called illegals can't vote for 25 years. he apparently didn't get the memo to use tonally sensitive language around the topic. in any case today, limbaugh's guest today, marco rubio, may not like that idea of barring new latino voters. >> obama's not going to be president forever. as long as the next four years may seem, won't be president forever. we have to write laws with that in mind as well. >>...
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i want you to listen to something he said yesterday where he said the plan is an amnesty plan. >> i don't think that "fox news" is that invested in this. but i don't think there is any republican opposition to this, of any majority consequence or size. we'll have to wait and see and find out. >> and here is rush limbaugh today saying you didn't hear what he said yesterday. >> i didn't say that. did i o-- did you hear me say that? i want to call on fox news and others to join me in defeating this plan. i don't recall saying that. that doesn't matter -- i'm quoted as saying things i never said constantly. but you see it is out there. >> john ralston, that is how much rush folded up his tent today on this whole issue. and i think ari has a very serious point here, if that is all it takes, marco rubio calling into rush limbaugh's show, if that is all it takes to mute rush limbaugh on this subject, it seems like real progress is possible here. >> well, lawrence, i mean, the whole point of that was for marco rubio to go on rush's show and try to walk this fine line that he is trying to walk. an
i want you to listen to something he said yesterday where he said the plan is an amnesty plan. >> i don't think that "fox news" is that invested in this. but i don't think there is any republican opposition to this, of any majority consequence or size. we'll have to wait and see and find out. >> and here is rush limbaugh today saying you didn't hear what he said yesterday. >> i didn't say that. did i o-- did you hear me say that? i want to call on fox news and others...
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of congressional republicans' reaction to that was something they called the prohibiting back door amnesty act to try to undo what the president had done. but now just a few months down the road, republicans are embracing the president's whole approach to the problem. he has stood still, and they have moved. and they have moved because they think their own toxicity with latino voters is forcing them to move. but there is one last factor here there is one last immovable truth here for which this remarkable republican freak-out and reversal does not account. and that is the great big outside the beltway secret that latino voters are really liberal, really liberal. jeb bush's republican hispanic outreach group polled swing state latinos after this past election, and it turns out it's not just the issue of immigration where latino voters like democrats better than they like republicans. swing state latinos like the democratic party on all of the issues they were asked about. they like democrats better on education, on women's rights, on values on social issues broadly. they like democrats bett
of congressional republicans' reaction to that was something they called the prohibiting back door amnesty act to try to undo what the president had done. but now just a few months down the road, republicans are embracing the president's whole approach to the problem. he has stood still, and they have moved. and they have moved because they think their own toxicity with latino voters is forcing them to move. but there is one last factor here there is one last immovable truth here for which this...
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in reality what's been created is a de facto amnesty. we have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes, and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great. >> here is what the plan includes. the creation of what the senators call a tough but fair path to citizenship. strengthening border security with new tools. establishing an effective employment verification system to prevent employers from hiring illegal workers. most will be given a provisional status. they would have to go to the back of the line to get their green card. will it work? and will republicans in the house be willing to go along with the plan? linda sanchez is a democratic congresswoman from california. stephanie cutter is the former deputy campaign manager for president obama's re-election. you know, congresswoman, as you know, like most americans i have always thought it idiotic on the part of the republicans to even talk about sending home over 10 million p
in reality what's been created is a de facto amnesty. we have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes, and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great. >> here is what the plan includes. the creation of what the senators call a tough but fair path to citizenship. strengthening border security with new tools. establishing an effective employment verification system to prevent...
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he's saying it's amnesty, it's granting benefits to people who broke laws. and they're part of the conservative movement that's leading the charge against it. and it just shows the pressure that's going to be on these republicans who want to evolve on the immigration issue but are always very responsive to what's happening at the base which you see playing out in the gun debate. you know, where you have wayne lapierre, you have activists saying they don't want to do anything on guns, and you have republicans in congress reacting accordingly. >> and, you know, kelly o'donnell, not only do you have rich lowry who's the editor of "national review" coming out against it and other conservatives but "national review" itself, all of the editors came out yesterday harshly going against this immigration bill, which suggests -- and you also had dave vitter, david vitter, i think he said rubio was, quote, nuts. >> naive. >> naive. >> naive. maybe he said it's nuts or something like that, but yeah. it looks like the conservatives are starting to push back against this b
he's saying it's amnesty, it's granting benefits to people who broke laws. and they're part of the conservative movement that's leading the charge against it. and it just shows the pressure that's going to be on these republicans who want to evolve on the immigration issue but are always very responsive to what's happening at the base which you see playing out in the gun debate. you know, where you have wayne lapierre, you have activists saying they don't want to do anything on guns, and you...
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it's called amnesty pointless saying take away the spanish surname and latino voters look a great deal like many other democratic constituencies. low income households headed by single mothers and dependent upon some form of welfare are not looking for an excuse or action to join forces with paul ryan and poot toomey. in other words, they'll never be republicans. there's lou bar let that, here is what he said about the immigrants that would be affected by the senator's plan. quote, they will be democrats. i hope politics is not at the root of why we're rushing to pass a bill. anyone who believes that they're going to win over the latino vote is grossly mistaken. the majority that are here illegally are low skilled or may not even have a high school diploma. the republican party is not going to compete over who can give more social programs out. they will become democrats because of the social programs they will depend on. in other words, latinos are democrats endemically. they will vote -- my belief, by the way, this is a case of the republicans, i think as more latinos make it into th
it's called amnesty pointless saying take away the spanish surname and latino voters look a great deal like many other democratic constituencies. low income households headed by single mothers and dependent upon some form of welfare are not looking for an excuse or action to join forces with paul ryan and poot toomey. in other words, they'll never be republicans. there's lou bar let that, here is what he said about the immigrants that would be affected by the senator's plan. quote, they will be...